Saturday, August 25, 2007


Oldtown News
Vancouver, BC


Its interesting since I posted about the connections between APC/DERA and CUPE that my blogsite in the comments section is receiving numerous attempts at spin. I haven't moderated all the comments through since many are repeating the same language. Most likely these anonymous posters are members of the CUPE union or members of APC/DERA.

It all began when Picket Boy who writes his own blog called into question that he wanted proof of the connection. Picket Boy is a member of CUPE. He stated that he is a stickler for detail and I found this interesting since its right there on the CUPE 1004 website that they represent DERA workers. Numerous media and myself have pointed out on a number of occasions that APC has taken over DERA and many DERA workers are APC leaders and CUPE 1004 members. This is very much a matter of public record.

Now another clumsy attempt at spin in the comments section of my blog by another anonymous poster who questions whether I can with certainty make the connections that I have regarding the Tacky garbage dumping at Mayor Sullivan's home being the responsibility of CUPE 1004 members.

For the record, APC took credit for this illegal action. That means the entire organization which operates on a collectivist model has taken collective responsibility. I find it ludicrous that someone actually has the nerve to suggest that perhaps only a few APC members and ones not connected to CUPE 1004 are the responsible for this stupid action. How silly.

The leadership of APC are DERA workers. They are the ones to decide on any APC action. These same public faces of APC/DERA are in fact CUPE 1004 members. Therefore this rogue group of CUPE members carried out this moronic and cowardly act of dumping garbage on the doorsteps of innocent residents of the building where Mayor Sam Sullivan lives.

I understand that the President of CUPE 1004, Mike Jackson, has denounced the action of APC/DERA. Good for him for doing so. Unfortunately, it hasn't been stated that the ones culpable of dumping the garbage are CUPE members and this is unfortunate.

Even worse, is that the opposition party, Vision, which has supported APC/DERA and receives considerable CUPE donations has remained silent on this matter. It seems that Vision is in support of dumping garbage on peoples homes, during the strike. Is this the type of political leadership one should expect from our elected representatives? I sure hope not!

I'm certain this blog posting will result in another flurry of anonymous comments attempting to deflect criticism.

Its a crappy day so I await the barrage of insults and attempted spin.

Jamie Lee Hamilton


At 9:14 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yeah, thanks for your Grade 12 law class synopsis of what's going on. Won't be hearing from me again - definitely signing off this blog for good.

At 9:20 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Count me out as well. I used to read this blog for a somewhat unbiased analysis of community and civic politics, but these latest postings are obviously a personal attack and without substance. Guilty by association? Are the 40s back already?

At 10:05 PM, Blogger Jamie Lee Hamilton said...

Well imagine that. Yes I actually have opinions on political issues and you can't stomach them. No big deal to me that you are offended by factual information.

At 12:18 AM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

What is factual? That CUPE, by having a mandatory membership for DERA employees, is somehow complicit in this incident? Is that an 'opinion' or 'factual'? This is a tried-and-tested FOX News-like attempt at 'reasoning'. ("Oh, the drunk driver was an immigrant? That must mean ALL IMMIGRANTS ARE CRIMINALS!")
My girlfriend is a striking worker. She is hoping to get something called 'pay equity', where women earn the same as men for doing the same job. She's about as complicit in this as my cat is.
Yeah, you can count me out, too. I had started reading here after stumbling on to the 'orato' debate, and I was refreshed by someone having the balls (no pun intended) to ask the difficult questions, the ones still getting muddied over. (while I wonder if Wendy Lyn Eistettler is even still alive, I suppose the prosecution wouldn't very well call her as a witness)
Once a 'pundit' gets into the habit of name calling, guilt by association, and broad, sweeping generalizations ("ALL anarchist groups function this way") I know they have little use for facts.

At 12:52 AM, Blogger Jamie Lee Hamilton said...

Again here are the facts. APC members who are DERA workers are members of CUPE 1004. I then went on to state this rogue group of CUPE 1004 dumped garbage on the doorstep of Mayor Sullivan's home.

I did not say ALL CUPE members. I said a rogue group of CUPE, which by the way, this same rogue group held a meeting to try and decertify from CUPE 1004.

The Leader of CUPE 1004, Mike Jackson (kudos to him), went on to denounce this rogue group's action which he needed to do since they are CUPE 1004 members.

Unionized workers have legitimate gievances around workplace issues but when members of a Union engage in illegal activity, this goes beyond what the public is willing to accept regarding labour negotiations.

I merely pointed out the obvious.

By the way, I hope your g/f and other unionized female workers achieve pay equity. I wrote about this in fact, in an earlier post.

At 7:33 PM, Blogger spartikus said...

I did not say ALL CUPE members. I said a rogue group of CUPE, which by the way

The anonymous commenter at 12:18 is right: this is the tried and true "guilt by association" method we sadly see so prevalent south of the border (please don't help bring it here)

I can be a Hells Angel. Concurrently, I can be an Anglican...a member of the Boy Scouts, of the knitting club...and so on. Any criminal activity I do in my capacity as a Hells Angel member would not be accurately described by an honest observer as "crimes committed by a rogue boy scout/choir boy".

The union has do with the actions of APC

At 9:04 PM, Blogger Jamie Lee Hamilton said...

Spartikus you are wrong wrong wrong.

If for example a Vancouver police Officer hurts someone while off-duty, we don't say Private Citizen hurt so and so. We actually say a VPD officer committed this action.

Another case in point is this and I hate singling out a police officer again but I shall. The alleged officer while off-duty watched child porn on his home computer. Do we say Private citizen has been charged with child porn or VPD officer charged with child porn? The answer is clear. And when the owner of the Davie Street Super-Value dies, it wasn't that private citizen operator of Super-Value died but that it was Hells Angel Member owner of Super-Value dies.

As for APC members who work at DERA, they are members of CUPE 1004 and therefore it was accurate to say Members of CUPE 1004 committed illegal garbage dumping. That is why the Leader of CUPE 1004 wisely distanced himself from this since he had no choice since it was his members (not all) who carried out this tacky action.

At 9:24 PM, Blogger spartikus said...

for example a Vancouver police Officer hurts someone while off-duty, we don't say Private Citizen hurt so and so. We actually say a VPD officer committed this action.

Setting aside for a the moment that police officers (and doctors) are different because they occupy a unique position of trust within society...

...perhaps identifying them as police-officers is wrong? Perhaps they should simply be identified as criminals.

For the vast majority of crimes reported in the media, only the name of the suspect....not the myriad of organizations they might belong to, is given.

Note too you did not simply say "they are members of 1004 who committed bad acts." You said a "rogue group of CUPE". The group - APC - is not associated in any way to 1004. They acted as APC. That some are members of 1004 is coincidence.

It's an important distinction.

At 9:51 PM, Blogger Jamie Lee Hamilton said...

Tell that to sex trade workers who are always defined as prostitutes or as sex trade workers.

Its obvious you feel sensitive around this issue of a rogue group of CUPE 1004 acting badly. It doesn't help the Union position when these acts happen and this is why you are concerned. Fair enough but facts are facts. In a strike APC members who are CUPE 1004 members acted irresponsibly.

At 8:12 AM, Blogger spartikus said...

Tell that to sex trade workers who are always defined as prostitutes or as sex trade workers.

This is also unfair.

a rogue group of CUPE 1004

This sentence I take issue with. This sentence...

In a strike APC members who are CUPE 1004 members acted irresponsibly.

...I do not. The first infers a relationship b/w 1004 and APC as organizations, which is not correct. The second accurately describes the situation.

At 8:39 AM, Blogger Jamie Lee Hamilton said...


As long as APC/DERA have membership in CUPE 1004 and as long as CUPE 1004 remains on strike and as long as APC/DERA commits vandalism in the name of the strike, they will be considered by the public as a rogue group of CUPE 1004.

Perhaps CUPE 1004 if they don't want to be saddled with this albatross should look into expelling the DERA/APC bargaining unit from membership of the Union.

At 7:49 PM, Blogger spartikus said...

We're obviously at an impasse and will have to respectfully agree to disagree :)

At 7:50 PM, Blogger Jamie Lee Hamilton said...

I agree but good points :)


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